85o Push/Fold: When to Shove Eight-Five offsuit
85o is a Nash shove from every seat only up to 2bb, in both 6-max and 9-max; deeper than that it is a fold or a mix.
In 6-max it shoves from Under the Gun up to 2bb, the Cutoff up to 2bb, the Button up to 2bb, and the Small Blind up to 2bb.
In 9-max it shoves from Under the Gun up to 2bb, the Middle Position up to 2bb, the Cutoff up to 2bb, the Button up to 2bb, and the Small Blind up to 2bb.
Ranks #141 of 169 hands by how often it shoves · shove in 18 of 225 solved spots · 12 combos
Verdict by seat and stack
How 85o compares
Suitedness is worth 26 extra shove spots here: 85s is a shove in 44 of the 225 solved spots, 85o in 18. From the 6-max Button both shove up to 2bb.
Hand shape: its small gap still leaves straight draws and the weak offsuit kicker is often dominated when called.
85o push/fold FAQ
Is 85o a shove at 10bb?
At 10bb in 6-max, 85o is a fold from Under the Gun, the Cutoff, the Button, and the Small Blind. At 10bb in 9-max, 85o is a fold from Under the Gun, the Middle Position, the Cutoff, the Button, and the Small Blind.
Up to how many big blinds should 85o shove from the Button?
From the Button, 85o is a Nash shove up to 2bb in 6-max and 9-max.
Up to how many big blinds should 85o shove from the Small Blind?
From the Small Blind, 85o is a Nash shove up to 2bb in 6-max and 9-max.
What stack size do these verdicts assume?
Stacks are total big blinds before posting blinds, chip-EV, no antes, solved from 1 to 25bb. Shove means the Nash solution pushes the hand at least 95% of the time, fold at most 5%, and anything between is a mix.
How these numbers are computed: methodology and open dataset.
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